Price: $149.20 + $3.99 shipping: See all 2 formats and editions Hide other formats and editions. Founded by Bruce Pavitt and Jonathan Poneman in 1988, Sub Pop Records is a medium-sized independent record label based in Seattle, WA. Appealing to collectors was another strategy, with limited-edition runs of releases on colored vinyl. “It was a real anti-yuppie statement,” Jon proudly told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. “I did sincerely feel the Seattle scene was going to blow up—but not to the degree it did,” says Bruce. Bruce felt otherwise, having played the tape at Muzak, where it received a less-than-enthusiastic response: “The general consensus was that Kurt was a good singer, but the material really wasn’t very good.” He was no more convinced when he and Jon caught a sparsely attended show at Seattle’s Central Tavern, feeling the group had no stage presence. The Grunge Years was a compilation album of songs by notable grunge bands released by Sub Pop and distributed by Caroline Records in 1991. And the space was hardly palatial; in lieu of storage rooms, record stock had to be stashed in the bathroom. Shutterstock. The early grunge movement coalesced around Seattle independent record label Sub Pop in the late 1980s. 40 songs. The Grunge Years ‎ (CD, Comp) Sub Pop: SRCS 5864: Japan: 1992: Sell This Version: SP112b: Various: The Grunge Years ‎ (CD, Comp, RE) Sub Pop: SP112b: US: Unknown: Sell This Version: Recommendations Reviews Add Review. The Seattle scene had peaked by the time grunge hit. “When you’re working together, when you’re running a mom-and-pop business, which is what Sub Pop was, it’s essentially an extended family,” he says. See our policy statement. Between the Eyes in The Grunge Years (Sub Pop Records, 1991). The following year brought the founding of Sub Pop Records and saw Seattle-based record label C/Z Records’ first release, Deep Six. Six years later, Sub Pop Records co-founder Bruce Pavitt would describe Arm’s band, which included two future members of Pearl Jam, Green River’s “Dry as a Bone” EP as “ultra-loose grunge that destroyed the morals of a generation.” That same year, Sub Pop would release Soundgarden’s raw debut EP, “Screaming Life”. But they were also the cat with nineteen lives. This project is an attempt to bring it all together in one place. This excerpt from Gillian Gaar's World Domination: The Sub Pop Records Story looks at the early days of the influential label. Red Head Walking - Beat Happening 5. The Grunge Years - A Sub Pop Compilation (1991) 1. Label: Compilation, Sub Pop Compilation, The Grunge Years. Stumblin' Man - Tad 4. Sub Pop Days, Names, Times, Places. “We all just wanted to do it, just to do it. And, to Bruce and Jon [Poneman]’s further dismay, they’d lost another valuable asset when Green River broke up in late 1987. Berbagi ke Twitter Berbagi ke Facebook. Dutafilm : Nonton Film Online Sub Indo Gratis. Charles Peterson, who’d been hired as Sub Pop’s receptionist, among other duties, also found the first months to be “pretty tenuous. Mark quickly rebounded. Gillian Gaar, a longtime Seattle-based writer, draws on firsthand interviews, deep research, and her years of covering that city’s scene as a music journalist to bring together the first in-depth historical narrative of one of America’s most influential independent record labels. Nirvana - Dive (3:52) 2. Learn more, Everybody loves us / Sub Pop: The Grunge Years By Sub Pop. And when you go through that list [in the column], it doesn’t even have Nirvana on it, you know? It was a blessing that we both had really crappy jobs!” They formally took over the lease on April 1, 1988; henceforth, April Fools’ Day would be designated as Sub Pop’s official anniversary date. 40 songs. I felt we were on a similar trajectory.”, Just three months after Sub Pop officially opened its doors, Bruce received confirmation that they really were on to something. Snipe Hunt b/w Punks Want Rights" (Let Down Records, 1996). This freewheeling spirit was evident in the company’s other business dealings as well. “And this guy got on a Greyhound bus and traveled three thousand miles for this show!” Bruce marvels. Find album reviews, stream songs, credits and award information for The Grunge Years: A … Bruce and Jon were also pleased at the message the shirt sent during a decade so devoted to conspicuous consumption. So many of these bands went on to have cult followings or really helped to influence culture. Sub Pop’s promotional efforts were decidedly tongue-in-cheek, parodying the corporate culture the label’s co-founders had just escaped from at Muzak. Mark brought in the band’s demos to play to his co-workers at Muzak. The early mythology around Sub Pop was that from the very beginning, they said, ‘These are amazing bands, and you’re missing out if you’re not on board!’ and made it out to be this massive scene. 80s | April 5, 2019. El sello ha sido considerado como uno de los que dio los primeros pasos para la popularización del grunge. The Grunge Years is a compilation album of songs by notable grunge bands released by Sub Pop in 1991. Another Sub Pop compilation filled with as many "lesser" bands as household names. Life After Grunge: 25 Years of Sub Pop Records By Al Horner July 26, 2013 The label's Tony Kiewel talks about the history and future of Seattle’s iconic record label. Tad - Stumblin’ Man (3:36) 4. The people directly involved with the music scene, however, hated the term. That was the day that Sub Pop Records released Mudhoney's debut single, "Touch Me I'm Sick"/"Sweet By the beginning of May, they’d gone through most of their money, leaving them unable to pay the printing bill for the Rehab Doll sleeve. If people are willing to get on a bus and travel three thousand miles for a show, they’re getting it.’, “They’re realizing that there is something happening here that isn’t happening in other parts of the country.”. Only one rep showed up, too late to catch the band’s set, which was perhaps just as well, as Mark had blown out his voice at the previous night’s show in San Francisco. Shove - L7 3. He’d noted that labels like UK-based Factory and 4AD had cultivated a specific look and sound, which he didn’t see happening among stateside indie labels. “It was disappointing but understandable,” says Bruce. Track listing. Find similar albums to The Grunge Years: A Sub Pop Compilation - Various Artists on AllMusic On October 24, the group had opened for Jane’s Addiction at a Los Angeles club called the Scream. Like most of Sub Pop's comps, this one is a great disc. This compilation, credited as the first distribution of grunge, included the Melvins, Green River, Soundgarden, Malfunkshun, Skin Yard and The U-Men. Learn more about Northwest Passage. Life After Grunge: 25 Years of Sub Pop Records The label's Tony Kiewel talks about the history and future of Seattle’s iconic record label. Anda bisa menikmatinya secara gratis, cukup dengan internet anda sudah bisa menonton film online secara gratis baik di laptop, tablet ataupun smartphone anda. Grunge (deutsch „Schmuddel“, „Dreck“) ist ein Rockmusik-Genre und eine Subkultur.Grunge ist ein vor allem in den 1990er-Jahren populärer Musikstil, dessen Ursprünge und Anfänge in der US-amerikanischen Undergroundbewegung lagen. The Grunge Years: A Sub Pop Compilation by VARIOUS ARTISTS (2003-01-01) Format: Audio CD. Find album release information for The Grunge Years: A Sub Pop Compilation - Various Artists on AllMusic Being in business full time was more challenging than Bruce and Jon realized. World Domination: The Sub Pop Records Story will be in stores on November 20. $59.96: $5.92: Audio CD: $149.20 . Jack had made copies of the band’s demo and passed one to Jon, who immediately fell in love with the first song, “If You Must.” (Ironically, Kurt Cobain disliked the song, and the band soon dropped it from their set list.) This project looks at all aspects of the rock scene, not just the part that became known as the "grunge explosion." Like many small labels, Sub Pop often had difficulties being paid promptly by the companies that distributed its records. CD For Sale Backorder. Former Rocket writer and Sub Pop staffer Jeff Gilbert said the word was like “talking to someone with bad breath: you could put up with it, you still wanted to distance yourself.” Available in bookstores and online on November 20. Grunge Years - A Sub Pop Compilation - CD Track Listings Disc: 1 1. In July 1988, while attending the New Music Seminar, a music industry event in New York City, Bruce and Jon dropped in at the offices of one of their distributors, Caroline Records, wearing T-shirts bearing the inscription “YOU OWE ME MONEY.” “We never brought up the bill once the entire time,” Bruce recalled. Clipping - Chapter 319 . “Sub Pop would not exist without Mudhoney, would not have happened without Mudhoney … they were absolutely brilliant immediately, so it was our good fortune, our good grace to have this amazing band come together right as we were trying to launch the label.” That view was confirmed when the band played their first show on April 19 at a Seattle club called the Vogue. And it was singles without picture sleeves; it was as bare bones as it could be—they were given away at shows! The Grunge Years was a compilation album of songs by notable grunge bands released by Sub Pop and distributed by Caroline Records in 1991. Tomorrow - The Fluid 8. Gaar served as a project consultant on Nirvana’s With the Lights Out box set. Listen to official albums & more. With early releases by Nirvana, Mudhoney, Soundgarden, and TAD, the label is often associated with something called “the grunge movement.” “In the early days, it was barely managed chaos,” remembers Daniel House. Long Black Veil - The Walkabouts 12. As indicated by the cover of the album it was limited to a pressing of 500,000 copies. It amazed me how they could make some of the biggest blunders and it would just turn around and somehow benefit them.” Sub Pop’s ability to weather innumerable storms yet somehow land upright would serve them in good stead in years to come. “I remember saying we needed to have a Sub Pop shirt with ‘LOSER’ emblazoned on the front and the Sub Pop logo in back,” says Bruce. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for The Grunge Years: A Sub Pop Compilation by Various Artists (CD, Jan-1994, Sub Pop (USA)) at the … It sure felt good to quit my job at Muzak. And that was back in ’38.”, “By ’87 and ’88, I was really convinced that the Seattle music scene was an incredibly happening music scene,” he says. Over the years, Sub Pop has showed many different sides. Sub Pop (Intentional) Comedy. A collection of classic Sub Pop tracks from the 80s and 90s, all that is grunge adjacent! In their imaginations, Sub Pop wasn’t a business struggling to keep its doors open, but a multinational corporation on its way to what Bruce and Jon were sure would be “World Domination.”, “I was writing the ad copy for Sub Pop, with a hype style that was coming into practice towards the end of my ‘Sub Pop’ column,” Bruce explains. No Nirvana, but Screaming Trees, Soundgarden, TAD, the Fastbacks, Girl Trouble, the U-Men, Young Fresh Fellows, the Melvins—this is amazing stuff . Our new desktop experience was built to be your music destination. "In 1991, Sub Pop began making a move to cash in on the 'grunge' explosion of that year and the following year. The Grunge Years is a compilation album of songs by notable grunge bands released by Sub Pop in 1991. And again, this is before Mudhoney or Nirvana, the two bands that really helped blow up the scene.”. Three decades later, the mythology around grunge persists. While this site certainly has a focus on the so-called "grunge" era, we aim to cover the entire spectrum of rock music throughout the region, from Portland to Olympia to Boise and all locales in between. Grunge Years: A Sub Pop Compilation CD. Skin Yard’s bassist had just quit his day job at a printing shop, and, on the way home, had ended up giving a lift to Jon, whom he’d seen waiting at a bus stop. A determined collector would have to acquire all of them. Grunge Pioneer Sub Pop Records Turns 20 The indie record label that turned Seattle into a mecca for grunge music turns 20 years old Saturday. The Grunge scene was more than just Nirvana making it big in 'The Year that Punk Broke'. blind_squirrel May 9, 2014 Report; referencing The Grunge Years, CD, Comp, SP112b. Add to WishList : Email Me When Available: Also send emails for our other sales: You can unsubscribe from our emails at any time, and we'll still let you know when this product is available. Another Sub Pop compilation filled with as many "lesser" bands as household names. ": An Oral History of Sub Pop Records, Sub Pop Rock City: the story of the first Sub Pop Lame Fest, 25 Little-Known Seattle Records You Should Listen To, 12 Out-of-Print Albums that Sub Pop Needs to Re-Issue. Product Information . Everybody loves our town, Jon Poneman, Sub Pop catalog description for Sub Pop 1000, 2013, Sub Pop Rock City: the story of Sub Pop Lame Fest, All your lies: myths of the northwest music scene, The Jury: The Cobain/Lanegan collaboration, Reciprocal Recording: The Story of a Recording Studio, World Domination: The Sub Pop Records Story, Available in bookstores and online on November 20, Better Days and Better Moments: The Seaweed Story, The Jury: the forgotten Cobain/Lanegan collaboration, "Going Out of Business Since 1988! Much of it was originally released on vinyl 45s, and some has subsequently resurfaced on CD; indeed, only dedicated collectors could probably tell you which of these tracks are truly rare by now. Sub Pop: The Less Grunge Years. Sub Pop es un sello discográfico independiente de Seattle, Washington, famoso por ser el primero en contratar a Nirvana, Soundgarden, y varias bandas de la emergente escena local grunge. When Bruce Pavitt sat down to write his first “Sub Pop U.S.A.” column of 1988, he was eager to promote the thriving creativity he saw around him. Find album release information for The Grunge Years: A Sub Pop Compilation - Various Artists on AllMusic Sub Pop: 25 years of underground rock. After a decade living down grunge hype, a funny thing happened in the '00s: Sub Pop going from faded … In March, Bruce and Jon took a big step and quit their day jobs. Thirty years ago, Seattle’s fledgling Sub Pop Records released Bleach, the famously low-budget debut album from Nirvana that set the wheels in motion for one of the most transformative moments in music history. In any case, it's a decent sampler, with cuts by Nirvana, Tad, L7, Mark Lanegan, Screaming Trees, Mudhoney, Afghan Whigs, Babes in Toyland, and less expected entries like Beat Happening and the decidedly un-grunge Walkabouts. Nevertheless, the untold truth is out there. “I tell people that that was the moment where I realized—this scene is about to blow up. Deep Sixed: The Making of the First Grunge Compilation, Northwest Passage is an exploration of the music scene centered around Seattle in the 80s and 90s. Langganan: Posting Komentar (Atom) TAG. “It was a bold move,” says Bruce. Gaar is the author of more than 15 books, including She’s a Rebel: The History of Women in Rock & Roll, Return of the King: Elvis Presley’s Great Comeback, and Entertain Us: The Rise of Nirvana. The elevator stopped at the tenth floor, meaning you had to walk up a flight of stairs to actually reach the office. The Grudge Critics Consensus. “I was going to a lot of shows, I was seeing the stuff first hand, I was starting to release some of these records. The word "grunge" is American slang for "someone or something that is repugnant" and also for "dirt". The Grunge Years: Sub Pop and the Quest toward World Domination. Bruce and Jon were also keen to get Sub Pop’s name out there in any way possible. That same evening, he ran into Dan Peters, the drummer in Seattle band Bundle of Hiss, at the OK Hotel, and told him the news. Not quite the quality (in the music or the packaging) as the Sub Pop 200 re-issue, but a nice snapshot of what came to be known as The Grunge Era. $149.18 : $24.77: Audio CD $149.20 3 Used from $24.77 3 … 11 Days of Sub Pop (Give Or Take) Sub Pop: Songs from the TV. Sub Pop is a record label founded in 1986 by Bruce Pavitt and Jonathan Poneman.Sub Pop achieved fame in the late 1980s for signing Seattle bands such as Nirvana, Soundgarden, and Mudhoney, central players in the grunge movement. Bruce quickly recognized the band’s potential and sent them into the studio. Back in Seattle, when Mark and Alex Vincent arrived for a practice session on Halloween, Jeff, Stone, and Bruce told them they were out of the band. He wanted to generate the same kind of excitement about Sub Pop’s releases. Posting Lebih Baru Posting Lama Beranda. Jon happened to mention that there was a great show coming up: Soundgarden, Mudhoney, and the Fluid were playing the Central Tavern on July 2. “Half the time you can pay your bills, half the time you can’t, and the only thing that’s going to keep you together is just a sense of trust and camaraderie, and an underlying understanding that we value this culture and we’re all just going to do whatever it takes to make it happen.”, “As cliché as it is, there was that kind of Mickey Rooney, ‘Hey, let’s put on a show!’ kind of thing,” says Charles. Price New from Used from Audio CD, January 1, 1994 "Please retry" $59.96 . House - Babes In Toyland 10. “It was this kind of incremental thing. After Steve Turner’s departure from the group, a schism in the remaining members’ musical interests had developed; Jeff Ament and Stone Gossard wanted to pursue a more commercial direction, while Mark Arm favored a raw, indie-rock style. “It’s when we really started to go into it professionally. Retarded - Afghan Whigs 9. Grunge wurde auch als Seattle-Sound bezeichnet und wird oft als eine Vermischung von Punkrock und Heavy Metal angesehen. As indicated by the cover of the album, it was limited to a pressing of 500,000 copies. The band had nonetheless continued working on Rehab Doll, but the final night of their 1987 West Coast tour brought Green River to a sudden end. They really epitomized the spirit of Sub Pop, which really had a lot to do with humor—humor in rock ’n’ roll. According to a 1992 article published in Rolling Stone, the Seattle alternative music scene that would come to be known as grunge had peaked in 1989, years before it became an international phenomenon.The four key bands that would form the cornerstones of grunge — Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, and Soundgarden — had all signed with major labels and left the Seattle underground by … 1987 was easily the best year for local music since Bing Crosby rocked Tacoma. That was the day that Sub Pop Records released Mudhoney's debut single, "Touch Me I'm Sick"/"Sweet The new band took their name from a Russ Meyer film that had recently played on a Meyer triple bill at Seattle’s Neptune Theatre: Mudhoney. Grunge, sometimes known as the Seattle sound, is a musical subgenre of alternative rock is very influenced by punk rock, hardcore punk, noise rock and speed metal and with structures close to hard rock and heavy metal.. On learning that Sub Pop was looking for someone to handle sales, he quickly offered his services. Heavier Songs From Sub Pop. Smells like 30 years ago. The word was first recorded as being applied to Seattle musicians in July 1987 when Bruce Pavitt described Green River's Dry as a Bone EP in a Sub Pop record company catalogue as "gritty vocals, roaring Marshall amps, ultra-loose GRUNGE that destroyed the morals of a generation". Not necessarily a bad move. "The 1961 Report of the Register of Copyrights on the General Revision of the U.S. Sub Pop: The Last Ten Years. And while Jeff and Stone were excited by Jane’s Addiction, who’d drawn a crowd of two thousand without even having a record deal, Mark was unimpressed; it was obvious the musicians were no longer compatible. Sub Pop had acquired its first office, in the penthouse of the Terminal Sales Building, at 1932 First Avenue in downtown Seattle, for a rental fee of $200 a month. Compra Grunge Years. Various Artists The Grunge Years. “1987: Hey, did it suck or what?” he observed, in a column entitled “27 Reasons Why Washington State Is a Cool Place to Live.” “Maybe for the rest of the country, but not around here. The people directly involved with the music scene, however, hated the term. She was a senior editor at the Seattle music paper The Rocket and has also written for Mojo, Rolling Stone, Goldmine, and Seattle’s Museum of Popular Culture, among many other publications and organizations. La Sub Pop è inoltre nota per il rappresentante delle vendite Megan Jasper, colui che inventò la bufala del gergo grunge. Auch wenn er in der 25-jährigen Geschichte des Labels nur 13 Jahre dabei war, spielte Kiewel eine wichtige Rolle in der Vergangenheit von Sub Pop. Label: Sub Pop - SP112a • Format: Cassette Compilation, Limited Edition • Country: US • Genre: Rock • Style: Grunge Play on Spotify Change Has Come - Screaming Trees 7. Though he’s only been at the label for 13 of its 25-year history, Kiewel is not without his own important part in the Sub Pop story. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for The Grunge Years: A Sub Pop Compilation by Various Artists (CD, Jan-1994, Sub Pop (USA)) at the best online prices at … But then, like positive new age affirmations, it turned out to be true.”, For his part, Bruce hoped an esprit de corps would develop at the burgeoning company, despite the business difficulties. Even though we weren’t necessarily that professional in our execution, it was a pretty big leap for us. Sub Pop. Hardly Art Records: Beginner's Guide. And Bruce realized you didn’t need to have a lot of money to enhance that. Not quite the quality (in the music or the packaging) as the Sub Pop 200 re-issue, but a nice snapshot of what came to be known as The Grunge Era. Share on Facebook. They are often credited with helping popularize grunge music. “Jon and I both shared a self-deprecating sense of humor, as did Mark Arm. They’d put out one record, you didn’t know if there would be another record. Submit data corrections for The Grunge Years: A Sub Pop Compilation - Various Artists on AllMusic “And by the time we left, they handed us a big fat check.”, Beneath the humor was an unwavering faith in their product. “Mudhoney is the band that really launched Sub Pop,” he later said. TAD, Beat Happening, and Nirvana all released new albums that year, and they all secured a spot on Sub Pop's The Grunge Years compilation. As the northwest rock explosion took place before the advent of the Internet, there's only a loosely-connected network of good websites and social media on the web. About Sub Pop. I remember I handed out the envelopes with the checks, and would be like, ‘See you guys!’ and run down to the bank and get first in line.”, “I think there was a long period when they were just trying to figure out what this was going to be,” says Nils Bernstein, the music fan who had picked up the Sub Pop cassettes and was now running his own record shop in Seattle, Rebellious Jukebox. Six years later, Sub Pop co-founder, Bruce Pavitt would describe (Arm’s band which included two future members of Pearl Jam) Green River’s Dry as a Bone EP as, “ultra-loose grunge that destroyed the morals of a generation.” That same year, Sub Pop would release Soundgarden’s raw debut EP, Screaming Life. Shannon Lay - Live at Zebulon. L7 - Shove (3:11) 3. El sello ha sido considerado como uno de los que dio los primeros pasos para la popularización del grunge . Play on Spotify View credits, reviews, tracks and shop for the 1991 Cassette release of The Grunge Years on Discogs. This compilation charts the 1989/1991 Sub Pop era, making a great companion to previous compilations. Tidak ada komentar: Posting Komentar. Sub Pop is a record label founded in 1986 by Bruce Pavitt and Jonathan Poneman. They are often credited with helping popularize grunge music. The grunge years-(a sub pop compilation,1994) Sub Pop es un sello discográfico de Seattle , famoso por ser el primero en contratar a Nirvana , Soundgarden , y varias bandas de la escena local. The Hype! History Formation and Sub Pop years (1988–1991) Led by Tad Doyle (born Thomas Andrew Doyle) on vocals and guitar, Tad was formed in early 1988 by Doyle, a drummer turned guitar player/singer, who asked bassist Kurt Danielson to play bass for the band.Danielson's band Bundle of Hiss played with Doyle's previous band (in which he played drums) H-Hour. La Sub Pop ha all'attivo un disco di platino, Bleach dei Nirvana e tre dischi d'oro, Give Up dei The Postal Service e i due album dei The Shins Oh, Inverted World e Wincing the Night Away. If anything it was a late Eighties American counterpart to the guitar excursions of a European disposition: MBV, Mary Chain, Young Gods, Loop, Spacemen 3, AR Kane. On August 1, 1988, the grunge takeover of the world began. But Earth 2 made its predecessor sound like pop music. Nehru Jacket EP (Atlas Records, 1994). El sello ha sido considerado como uno de los que dio los primeros pasos para la popularización del grunge. The bold black lettering of ‘LOSER’ complemented the logo, and was part of the vibe.”. Republished with permission. We wanted the name Sub Pop to just permeate the culture.”, Humor was also a key factor. By then, Bruce and Jon had seen another band they’d soon add to Sub Pop’s roster: the band whose demo Jack Endino had recorded in January ’88, who were now calling themselves Nirvana. “Things were growing at a rate that Bruce and Jon themselves could barely keep up with it,” he continues. “I was thinking about the impact that Detroit had in the late ’60s, early ’70s, with the Stooges and MC5. “It was just astounding,” Bruce recalled. This excerpt from Gillian Gaar's World Domination: The Sub Pop … When it comes down to it, though, my favorite tracks are not by any of those aforementioned bands. Kami menyediakan kumpulan film online dari berbagai genre dan negara. Especially when payday came around, and whoever was first in line at the bank could maybe cash their checks. “They were really bad with money and they were pretty fucking disorganized. While working at Bombshelter and Fallout, he’d seen customers buying records simply because they were on a particular label. 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