mrmountie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:11 pm
Olson to the Braves.
Harper should want out of here.
Why? Because he's getting a boatload of money? Or because the Phillies bent their knee to sign JT - personally, I thought Springer was a better fit long-term as I don't believe in signing catchers multiple years, especially when they're nearing 30. If you, as a player, are demanding such a large contract, then you have to assume it'll be difficult to build stars around you.
We've seen teams in the past sign a player to a massive deal only to sell off their other top players a year or so later. The Phillies haven't done that. If you think this team is somehow going to forego all costs, when there's zero evidence they've done it in the past, you're simply fooling yourself. They're going to try to get the best bang for their buck while remaining under the luxury tax. It seems like every year people think this will change. Don't hope on it. And Bryce has no reason to want out right now. He's getting paid a healthy sum. He has a decent rotation. And he's got a starting 8 in the field that's fairly comparable with the rest of the division. The fans love him. He can make 10 mistakes and nobody in Philly will care. IF he moves on, he's going to have to build that same reputation before he can mess up. Now, in three years, things might be different if the phils are still hanging in that 80-82 win slot.
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Rockies are aggressively pursuing Kris Bryant. Talks are at ownership level. @Ken_Rosenthal and @nickgroke on it
BURN IT ALL DOWN.
This ownership approach isn't going to cut in a division with the best GM/development team (Braves) and the highest-spending owner (Braves). And the Nationals will eventually be back.
Just think about the first round draft picks this city has had to endure, despite all the franchises having extremely high picks. Crazy to think how many high picks that did not work out.
Phillies
Randolph 10
Haseley 8
Moniak 1
Bohm 3 (still holding out hope for him on offense...defense, ugh)
Sixers
Okafor 3
Simmons 1
Fultz 1
Smith 16 but traded Bridges to get him...lol
Eagles
Marcus Smith 26
Agholor 20
Wentz 2
Barnett 14
Dillard 22
Reagor 21
Flyers
Not one star in the past 10 years of drafting, some decent players and some total busts
Nolan Patrick 2
Ben Grimm wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:31 pm
Don't trade any Phillies' can't miss guys. Don't trade Dom Brown. Don't trade JP Crawford. Don't trade Aaron Altherr. Don't trade Scotty Jetpacks. There were plenty of posts on the old site pushing for not moving these guys. We don't know if Stott can even hit a major league curveball. I can't get overhyped from guys who exploded in Reading - the Coors field of the AA system. Same place where Dylan Cozens went nuts & Roman Quinn was an all around offensive force. Even 2017 made Kingery's career into where he got a long term contract.
I hope Stott is the next great thing. But to say he's not movable is short-term thinking. The Braves moved two former first round picks in the Olson deal. In fact, three of the guys sent in the trade could all be seeing major league playing time this year. Nobody is untradable.
And with Abel and Painter, the Worst Case scenario is that you hold onto them and they're Kyle Drabek. The Best Case scenario, is that they arrive as solid pieces of the rotation in 2024, just as the Harper/Realmuto/Wheeler window is starting to close
A kid like Painter is ideal to move to a team like Pittsburgh in a Reynolds deal. Let them develop him since they seem to be better at developing pitchers. Let him make his debut and start towards arb - where the Pirates tend to sell their players off. The Yankees, for years, have used ML teams like Pitt & Minny as optional farm systems. They go after arb-eligible players from those teams in exchange for 3-5 minor leaguers from their system. It's kind of how to work if you're a larger market.
The issue with the Phillies is that they can't seem to develop their own. IF that's the case, let somebody else do it for you and then you buy back those players from these cash-strapped teams once they actually prove they can play in the MLB.
The Phillies a) haven't proven they can develop their own, and b) don't go by that model which could help immensely. That's why 80-83 wins is their consistent projected outcome year-in and year-out.
Christopher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:44 pm
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Rockies are aggressively pursuing Kris Bryant. Talks are at ownership level. @Ken_Rosenthal and @nickgroke on it
BURN IT ALL DOWN.
This ownership approach isn't going to cut in a division with the best GM/development team (Braves) and the highest-spending owner (Braves). And the Nationals will eventually be back.
If he signs with the Rockies, then he has zero interest in winning baseball games. The Rockies have a shell of a roster and they play in the NL West
headclown wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:51 pm
Just think about the first round draft picks this city has had to endure, despite all the franchises having extremely high picks. Crazy to think how many high picks that did not work out.
Phillies
Moniak 1
Sixers
Simmons 1
Fultz 1
Eagles
Wentz 2
Flyers
Nolan Patrick 2
And these guys are no longer in the future plans. Those are some huge misses.
Ben Grimm wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:31 pm
Don't trade any Phillies' can't miss guys. Don't trade Dom Brown. Don't trade JP Crawford. Don't trade Aaron Altherr. Don't trade Scotty Jetpacks. There were plenty of posts on the old site pushing for not moving these guys. We don't know if Stott can even hit a major league curveball. I can't get overhyped from guys who exploded in Reading - the Coors field of the AA system. Same place where Dylan Cozens went nuts & Roman Quinn was an all around offensive force. Even 2017 made Kingery's career into where he got a long term contract.
I hope Stott is the next great thing. But to say he's not movable is short-term thinking. The Braves moved two former first round picks in the Olson deal. In fact, three of the guys sent in the trade could all be seeing major league playing time this year. Nobody is untradable.
And with Abel and Painter, the Worst Case scenario is that you hold onto them and they're Kyle Drabek. The Best Case scenario, is that they arrive as solid pieces of the rotation in 2024, just as the Harper/Realmuto/Wheeler window is starting to close
A kid like Painter is ideal to move to a team like Pittsburgh in a Reynolds deal. Let them develop him since they seem to be better at developing pitchers. Let him make his debut and start towards arb - where the Pirates tend to sell their players off. The Yankees, for years, have used ML teams like Pitt & Minny as optional farm systems. They go after arb-eligible players from those teams in exchange for 3-5 minor leaguers from their system. It's kind of how to work if you're a larger market.
The issue with the Phillies is that they can't seem to develop their own. IF that's the case, let somebody else do it for you and then you buy back those players from these cash-strapped teams once they actually prove they can play in the MLB.
The Phillies a) haven't proven they can develop their own, and b) don't go by that model which could help immensely. That's why 80-83 wins is their consistent projected outcome year-in and year-out.
The haul for Reynolds would be 4 of the Phillies top prospects...they would want a package like, Painter Rojas O'Hoppe and Stott.
Christopher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:44 pm
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Rockies are aggressively pursuing Kris Bryant. Talks are at ownership level. @Ken_Rosenthal and @nickgroke on it
BURN IT ALL DOWN.
This ownership approach isn't going to cut in a division with the best GM/development team (Braves) and the highest-spending owner (Braves). And the Nationals will eventually be back.
If he signs with the Rockies, then he has zero interest in winning baseball games. The Rockies have a shell of a roster and they play in the NL West
There are three things that a major league professional wants to achieve (in no particular order):
1) Win a championship
2) Win a league MVP
3) Win the mother lode
Kris has done #1 & #2 already. He's accomplished those at a young age. He's looking for dollars now. Those three I listed are also why we ask "why would team A sign this guy who's nearing 40 years old". It's likely that he's got two of the items but needs the title to satisfy his goals. Happens all the time.
Right now, Bryant is a merc going to the highest bidder. Nothing wrong with that.
And with Abel and Painter, the Worst Case scenario is that you hold onto them and they're Kyle Drabek. The Best Case scenario, is that they arrive as solid pieces of the rotation in 2024, just as the Harper/Realmuto/Wheeler window is starting to close
A kid like Painter is ideal to move to a team like Pittsburgh in a Reynolds deal. Let them develop him since they seem to be better at developing pitchers. Let him make his debut and start towards arb - where the Pirates tend to sell their players off. The Yankees, for years, have used ML teams like Pitt & Minny as optional farm systems. They go after arb-eligible players from those teams in exchange for 3-5 minor leaguers from their system. It's kind of how to work if you're a larger market.
The issue with the Phillies is that they can't seem to develop their own. IF that's the case, let somebody else do it for you and then you buy back those players from these cash-strapped teams once they actually prove they can play in the MLB.
The Phillies a) haven't proven they can develop their own, and b) don't go by that model which could help immensely. That's why 80-83 wins is their consistent projected outcome year-in and year-out.
The haul for Reynolds would be 4 of the Phillies top prospects...they would want a package like, Painter Rojas O'Hoppe and Stott.
For a 27 year old CF with a .900 OPS and above-average defense. Yeah. I'd probably do it. One of the reasons is that shortstop is actually much more plentiful than it was just 10 years ago. It makes this team that much more dangerous in the lineup for the next five years and helps the pitchers out since now we'd have a legitimate CF who can track balls.