Philadelphia Phillies 2021 Offseason

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Skyjack
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Any interest in getting Hader from the Brewers? Wonder what it would cost to get him?
headclown
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mrmountie wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:09 pm
Christopher wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:42 pm Aaron Loup, lefty reliever the Phillies had been considering, gets 2/17 from the Angels.

The Phillies need relievers, but with so many needs to spend on, they cannot afford to spend that kind of coin on them IMO.
Not to beat dead horses but was just looking over the FA pool for RPs they had a few solid guys they just let walk who signed for pretty cheap else where. Alvarez, Parker and Watson all had decent years. Sucks that prioritizing the managers "guys" like Hale while letting Parker and Alvarez go and trying to save a few bucks with Kintzler keeping him over Watson. Pen probably goes from really bad to closer to average with that. Oh well.
You are absolutely correct on this....huge mistake by Giardi and Dombroski, but I think Joe is mostly to blame. Not having Hale and Kintzler, could have won the team a couple of early games....and then who knows later in the year
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Skyjack wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:44 pm Any interest in getting Hader from the Brewers? Wonder what it would cost to get him?
Interest, Yea.....cost would be high for 2 years.

He's making $8,000,000 in 2022, then last Arbitration year for '23 and Free Agent in 2024.
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https://www.philliesnation.com/2021/11/ ... ent-468748

Interesting article on some off-season moves
mrmountie
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Signing someone like Graveman to a deal like that makes a lot more sense to me than trading for Kimbrel but whatever.
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It's early, but the Mets are having a rough offseason, with a lot of holes to fill.

I fully expect the healthy Braves to win 100 games and the division next season, but I think second-place, and thus a road to the wild card (where anything can happen) is wide open for the Phillies, if Middleton wants to be aggressive. Also, you're right there if the Braves stumble.

P.S. -- Signing Stroman away from the Mets is a win-win that would give us one of the top rotations in the NL and further cement the Mets' fall. I'm gonna keep touting that idea.
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Matt Gelb
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The Phillies have won three waiver claims this offseason and all three have been on left-handed pitchers. The latest is Scott Moss, from Cleveland. Happy Thanksgiving.
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What do You think of this mock trade on an MLB.com column ?

The trade that would break the internet.

Phillies get: 3B Matt Chapman, LHP Josh Hader
Brewers get: 1B Matt Olson, LHP A.J. Puk
A’s get: 1B Keston Hiura, RHP Mick Abel (Phillies’ No. 1 prospect), SS Bryson Stott (Phillies’ No. 2 prospect), OF Ethan Wilson (Phillies’ No. 7 prospect), C Logan O’Hoppe (Phillies’ No. 11 prospect), OF Garrett Mitchell (Brewers’ No. 1 prospect)

If the A’s are, indeed, going to rebuild, why not rip off the Band-Aid and get it going with one gigantic, three-team trade that lights the Hot Stove aflame? Hey, if we’re going to talk about fake trades, we might as well be ambitious.

From the Phillies’ perspective, there is little choice but to go all-in on the 2022 team. The big contracts have been signed, and the fan base is understandably anxious amid the NL’s longest postseason drought. The Phils of recent vintage have been a talented-but-flawed club, and this trade addresses two major issues in bold fashion. Hader brings gravitas to Philly’s much-maligned bullpen, while Chapman both extends the lineup and greatly improves what was one of the worst defensive infields in MLB (Alec Bohm can shift to the outfield in this arrangement, unless the Phillies make a trade involving Rhys Hoskins that allows Bohm to slide to first base).

Matt Chapman wins Gold Glove

The Brewers alter their identity with this deal, as Hader would no longer be around to anchor their traditionally terrific bullpen. They’d have to find other ways to get late-inning outs (Puk has the potential to help), but their front office is certainly creative enough to do so. Hader and Olson both have two remaining seasons of contractual control and will probably command similar price tags in arbitration next season. For a small-market team, that money is better allocated to a dependable and much-needed bat (the Brewers hit just .233 as a team in 2021) than a bullpen arm that has accumulated a lot of mileage in recent years.

As for the A’s, they get the No. 51 prospect in baseball, per MLB Pipeline, in Mitchell, No. 64 in Abel and No. 97 in Stott, as well as two other prospects from the Phillies’ top 11. They also get the potential upside of the 25-year-old Hiura (a natural-born hitter whose swing seems to have been messed up by the pursuit of power), and perhaps the change of scenery does him good. Maybe it would take another lower-level prospect or three to get them to part with both Matts, but here you have the seeds of what would be a monumental swap.
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I would not touch that trade with a 10 foot pole. Chapman, while great defensively but he is coming off his worst season ever and it is not close .710 OPS. You are literally giving away all you prospects and still have not adressed CF LF or SS. Dont want any part of Bohm in LF. No way I am trading Abel at this point.
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I'd absolutely consider packaging one of Abel or Painter with Stott, if Cedric Mullins is available.

He fits all the boxes:
-- CF
-- LH bat
-- 27 years old
-- 4 years of control
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